Welcome back nightbirds! This week I was joined by returning guest Dr. Joanna Kujawa, author of The Other Goddess: Mary Magdalene and the Goddesses of Eros and Secret Knowledge. We talked Marian apparitions, UAPs, experiencer reports, aliens as extra-dimensional beings, and the nature and future of our relationship with AI, and the spiritual and esoteric nature of "alien" phenomena. We also discussed the work of researchers such as Jacques Vallée and Diana Pasulka. These topics led us to a discussion on the evolution of consciousness, and expanding consciousness leading to a deeper understanding of who these beings are and how we can relate to them. I always have a great time chatting with Dr. Kujawa. Thanks for listening, and enjoy the show.Find Dr, Kujawa at: https://www.joannakujawa.com/Support the show https://nightbirdpodcast.com/support-the-showIntro music by Matt BoisvertPodcast art by Matt BoisvertVocal soundscapes by Tim Woody

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