In Episode 6, Jason Angell, co-founder of the Ecological Citizen's Project, talks with Michael Edwards. Michael, a former director at the Ford Foundation, discusses his journey from the philanthropy sector to moving to Upstate New York and starting the online journal Transformation, and his belief that personal and political change must be fused together.

Next Stop Now is a podcast about experiments in re-purposing life, telling the personal stories of people that embrace life changes to achieve happiness and sustainable living. We are a production of the Ecological Citizen’s Project, which grows citizen-led campaigns to build a more just, healthy, democratic and sustainable way of life. Produced by Isabel Angell.

Music from this episode is by Podington Bear. Learn more about Michael Edwards' project at https://www.opendemocracy.net/transformation.

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