About this EpisodeIn this episode of Next Man Up, host Kareem Thomas speaks with guests Ray Pace and Dr. Wardell Hunter about the critical importance of leadership development programs for aspiring school leaders. They explore the frameworks for effective leadership training, the significance of mentoring and coaching, and the need for self-assessment and reflective conversations in preparing future leaders. The conversation also addresses the challenges faced by assistant principals and the importance of adaptability in diverse educational environments.Key TakeawaysReflective conversations help aspiring leaders understand their motivations.Self-assessment against leadership standards is essential for growth.Mentoring provides technical assistance, while coaching focuses on mindset.Transitioning to new roles can enhance leadership skills.About Raymond Roy-PaceRaymond Roy-Pace is an education leader and strategist with over 15 years of experience advancing instructional excellence, leadership development, and equity-driven school improvement. He currently serves as a Professional Learning Specialist for the School District of Philadelphia, where he leads large-scale leadership development for nearly 300 assistant principals across more than 200 schools.Ray’s career includes roles as a high school principal, assistant principal, adjunct professor, instructional coach, and classroom teacher. A national presenter and published contributor, his work focuses on developing culturally responsive leaders, strengthening leadership pipelines, and improving outcomes for students and educators.About Dr. Wardell HunterDr. Wardell Hunter is a seasoned education leader with over 25 years of experience serving schools across the metro-Atlanta area. He previously served as Director of Leadership Development for Atlanta Public Schools, where he supported aspiring principals, assistant principals, instructional leaders, and central office teams.Across his career, Dr. Hunter has held roles including principal (interim), assistant principal of instruction, academy leader for business and entrepreneurship, and instructional leader in both Atlanta Public Schools and DeKalb County Schools. His work centers on leadership development, instructional improvement, and building strong school-community partnerships to support student success.Dr. Hunter holds a doctorate in Educational Administration from Georgia Southern University and is a certified Gallup and John Maxwell Coach. He is deeply committed to developing effective, equity-focused leaders and improving outcomes in urban education. Outside of work, he enjoys spending time with his three sons and engaging in family activities.About the PodcastNext Man Up amplifies the voices of men of color in education. Hosted by Kareem Thomas, it explores the challenges and triumphs of educational leaders who drive systemic change. The podcast empowers current and aspiring leaders to embrace their power and make an impact.Learn More: To learn more about the Next Man Up podcast or to be a guest, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠mcelleaders.org/podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠ or follow us on social media at @mcelleaders.

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