In this dynamic episode of Next Man Up, host Kareem Thomas sits down with two influential superintendents, Dr. Donald Fennoy and Dr. Howard Hepburn, for a powerful and deeply personal conversation about leadership, legacy, and the journey of men of color in education.Together, they share defining moments that shaped their leadership—from navigating the aftermath of the Parkland tragedy and the pandemic to making courageous, values-driven decisions in highly polarized times. They explore how cultural identity and upbringing influence leadership philosophy, why mentorship must be rooted in trust and honesty, and how authentic relationships create stronger, more resilient leaders.Dr. Fennoy and Dr. Hepburn remind us that building community, celebrating one another, and prioritizing self-care are not optional—they are essential to thriving in leadership and life.If you’re seeking genuine insights into leadership, growth, and lifting others as you ascend, this episode is packed with wisdom, introspection, and motivation.Key Takeaways:Leadership is Shaped by Life Experience Leadership Requires Risk-TakingAuthentic Relationships Matter Social Capital is CrucialFeedback is a Catalyst for GrowthLeaders Must Serve FirstFatherhood and Community Building are CentralQuote Worthy:“Feedback is a gift that helps you get better.”“Scared money don’t make money.”“Leadership isn’t about a title—it’s about serving people.”“Our communities will never get better unless we take care of our children.”“Be bold enough to step into rooms where you’re uncomfortable.”“Leadership without authenticity is hollow.”About Dr. Donald Fennoy, II Dr. Donald E. Fennoy II is the former 26th Superintendent of the A-rated School District of Palm Beach County, the 10th-largest district in the nation, with over 193,000 students and a $3.5 billion budget. Throughout his career, he has held key leadership roles, including Chief Operating Officer in Palm Beach County and Senior Area Superintendent for Fulton County Schools, earning recognition for improving academic, operational, and financial outcomes. Dr. Fennoy is a Broad Academy fellow, a graduate of Leadership Florida's Executive Class X, and a member of the Future Chiefs for Change cohort. An alumnus of Florida A&M University, he also holds a Master’s and Doctorate in Educational Leadership from the University of Central Florida. Today, Dr. Fennoy serves as a Superintendent in Residence while remaining a dedicated husband and father.About Dr. Howard HepburnDr. Howard Hepburn, Superintendent of Broward County Public Schools, is a seasoned educator with over two decades of experience. Recognized as a change leader, Dr. Hepburn is committed to closing achievement gaps, expanding access to accelerated courses, and empowering socio-economically challenged communities to exceed expectations. He previously served as Deputy Superintendent of Teaching and Learning for BCPS and held leadership roles in the School District of Palm Beach County. Dr. Hepburn holds a Bachelor of Science and a Master of Education from the University of Central Florida, as well as a Doctorate in Educational Leadership from Florida Southern College.About the PodcastNext Man Up amplifies the voices and experiences of men of color in educational leadership. Hosted by Kareem Thomas, the podcast explores the triumphs, challenges, and pivotal moments that shape leaders breaking barriers and driving systemic change in education. Through candid conversations and expert insights, Next Man Up inspires listeners to embrace their unique power, build community, and foster mentorship. Whether you’re a current leader, aspiring changemaker, or ally, this podcast will empower you to step up and make an impact. The next man up could be you!Learn MoreTo learn more about the Next Man Up podcast or to be a guest, visit mcelleaders.org/podcast or follow us on social media at @mcelleaders.

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