Summary:In this episode of Next Man Up, host Kareem Thomas engages with three  Philadelphia educators—Will Lawrence, Will Brown, and Vance McNear—to discuss their journeys in educational leadership, the challenges they face as men of color, and the importance of branding schools to attract families. The conversation also delves into the potential impact of eliminating the Department of Education, the significance of representation in schools, and self-care strategies for educators. The episode concludes with light-hearted discussions about cultural icons and personal dinner guests.About William BrownWill Brown is a proud Philadelphia native and dedicated educational leader committed to equity, empowerment, and community impact. A graduate of Kirkbride Elementary and Central High School, his passion for education was sparked through his experience as a peer educator in a local community organization, where he discovered his talent for inspiring youth.Initially studying Business Management at Mansfield University, his work with young people led him to pursue a Master’s in Elementary Education and a Principal’s Certification from the University of Pennsylvania. He was also honored with the Priscilla Dawson Alumni Award for his leadership and service.Will has held various roles in Philadelphia’s schools, including teacher and Assistant Principal at Jules E. Mastbaum AVTS, and currently serves as Principal of Parkway West High School. An advocate for careers in education, he champions the profession as a powerful way to shape futures and communities. In 2025, he was named Philadelphia Academies Inc.’s Educator of the Year.About Vance McNearVance McNear is the principal of Edwin Forrest Elementary in Philadelphia, with 18 years of experience in urban education as a teacher, administrator, and leader. A passionate advocate for children and equity, he is committed to creating a safe, supportive environment where all students can thrive. Vance is a member of the Philadelphia Academy of School Leaders' Instructional Leadership Academy (ILA), which focuses on strengthening instructional systems with an equity lens, in partnership with Achievement Network (ANet). He has shared his expertise on panels about instructional leadership and curriculum implementation. Outside of work, Vance is married to Shaquina, an assistant principal, and they have five children. He’s also active as a softball coach and in community sports organizations.About William Lawrence William Lawrence has served as Principal of John Marshall Elementary in Philadelphia’s Frankford community for the past 8 years. He firmly believes in “Culture for Service and Service to Humanity,” shaping programs that meet community needs. His leadership emphasizes collective empowerment and supporting the next generation.Under his guidance, student outcomes in ELA and Math improved by 15%, suspensions decreased by 35%, and attendance increased by 20%. He has received awards, including the Lindback Award for Distinguished Leadership in 2025, the Shining Light Award, and “Most Impactful” from the Turnaround Network.Will’s passion for education began at age 14, and he has dedicated his career to inspiring students and mentoring over 100 young men. He works to increase Black Male recruitment and support he community through food drives, school supplies, and holiday toy donations. A family man and fitness enthusiast, Will values helping others and believes there is “nothing for us, without us.”About the PodcastNext Man Up, hosted by Kareem Thomas, amplifies the voices and experiences of men of color in educational leadership. Learn MoreTo learn more about the Next Man Up podcast or to be a guest, visit mcelleaders.org/podcast or follow us on social media at @mcelleaders.

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