In this Thanksgiving-week Mostly Growth episode, CJ Gustafson and Kyle Poyar ditch the serious finance talk for a looser, drinks-in-hand conversation with Ben Hillman, bouncing between CJ’s nostalgic emo-punk concert adventure, the curse of vanity license plates, and the epidemic of “Y-axis crimes” in founder charts. They riff on Spotify Wrapped copycats, YouTube becoming living-room TV, kids’ YouTube empires, and the game theory behind The Traitors and the Monty Hall problem before shifting into real-world pricing: newsletter perk economics, the pitfalls of hourly consulting, and why value-based packaging always wins. The episode stays playful but still sneaks in sharp insights on growth, psychology, and how weird the business world can be when you actually pay attention.—SPONSORS:Pulley is the cap table management platform built for CFOs and finance leaders who need reliable, audit-ready data and intuitive workflows, without the hidden fees or unreliable support. Switch in as little as 5 days and get 25% off your first year: https://pulley.com/mostlymetricsMetronome is real-time billing built for modern software companies. Metronome turns raw usage events into accurate invoices, gives customers bills they actually understand, and keeps finance, product, and engineering perfectly in sync. That’s why category-defining companies like OpenAI and Anthropic trust Metronome to power usage-based pricing and enterprise contracts at scale. Focus on your product — not your billing. Learn more and get started at https://www.metronome.com—LINKS: Mostly Metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.comCJ on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/Growth Unhinged: https://www.growthunhinged.com/Kyle on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyle-poyar/Slacker Stuff: https://www.slackerstuff.com/Ben on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/slackerstuff/https://x.com/parikpatelcfa/status/1992706757073023191?s=46https://www.wired.com/story/null-license-plate-landed-one-hacker-ticket-hell/https://x.com/im_roy_lee/status/1992692253257855261/photo/1https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2025/01/16/the-traitors-a-reality-tv-show-offers-a-useful-economics-lessonhttps://nyulangone.org/news/one-third-americans-are-trying-avoid-gluten-it-villain-we-think-it-ishttps://x.com/techsalesguy3/status/1991585201601016161?s=46https://paintvine.co.nz/blogs/news/the-legend-of-picassos-napkin-sketch?srsltid=AfmBOooiyTYGfUdKJZLpblbQAcJzQLg011Os_xeyaCgSpEIXrtIuD6hHhttps://www.linkedin.com/posts/cj-gustafson-13140948_started-from-the-email-now-were-here-activity-7397607230600126465-iVPv/—RELATED EPISODES:Is a weekly martini ARR? | with Dave Kellogghttps://youtu.be/Yb1lUQLJ6qw—TIMESTAMPS:00:00:00 Preview and Intro00:01:06 Sponsors – Pulley & Metronome00:03:26 Mostly Drinks Episode00:04:39 Concert Stories & Pop-Punk Nostalgia00:07:30 Concert Parenting & Full-Circle Moment00:08:01 Business Blunders Begin00:09:51 License Plate Fails & Accounting Humor00:11:33 Y-Axis Crime Chart Review00:13:46 Global Podcast “Success” & Listener Jokes00:15:25 Spotify Wrapped: Retention vs. Acquisition00:16:29 YouTube as the Future of Podcasts00:17:21 Kids’ Shows, Blippi & Creator Economics00:18:20 The Traitors Show Overview00:19:55 Game Theory & Winning as a Traitor00:22:11 Monty Hall Problem Setup00:23:52 Game Show Logic & Gambler’s Fallacies00:25:34 Pricing in the Real World00:26:28 Community Discount Card Business Model00:28:34 Newsletter Perks & Subscriber Value00:29:59 Marketplace Discount Math00:31:26 Negotiating Like a CFO00:32:25 Gluten-Free Nights & Pricing Strategy00:34:49 Outbound Pizza as a Go-to-Market Play00:36:28 Outbound Pizza Tuesdays to Gluten-Free Tuesdays00:37:02 Pricing Services: Value vs. Hourly00:40:12 The Picasso Pricing Story00:42:20 Harvard Business School Case Study & Kim K Photo00:43:27 Thanksgiving Cooking: Roast Chicken & Porcini Ragu00:44:21 Wrap & Credits

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