What happens when a country decides to rebuild its education system from the ground up and succeeds?In this episode, I sit down with Nick Gibb, one of the UK's longest-serving schools ministers and co-author of Reforming Lessons. Nick reflects on over a decade of education reform, sharing the story behind some of the most significant shifts in schools.We explore how focusing on evidence-based teaching, academic rigour, and a knowledge-rich curriculum helped drive England up international education rankings. Nick also discusses why giving teachers more autonomy, setting clearer expectations, and reducing distractions like smartphones can create environments where students thrive.What You'll LearnKnowledge-Rich Curriculum: How a renewed focus on core knowledge transformed reading and maths outcomes.Teaching First: Why empowering teachers and embracing evidence-based methods can change classroom culture.Raising Expectations: How structure, rigour, and removing barriers like phones can support better learning for all students.Nick reminds us that meaningful reform isn't about quick fixes - it's about clarity, consistency, and courage to stay the course.Lou Brown Talks is produced by Urban Podcasts.

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