When successful entrepreneurs and creatives face crucibles of transformation, what emerges on the other side? In this vulnerable conversation with Bible Project founders Tim Mackie and John Collins, we journey into the heart of what it means to surrender identity and embrace divine redirection.John Collins shares the wrenching year-long process of selling his business – a decision that threatened not just his financial security but his very sense of self. "What made it so hard was that my identity of being a successful creative felt like failure to walk away," he reveals. Through spiraling fears and depression, John encountered a pivotal moment when God asked him, "Won't I still be enough?" This question cut through layers of fear, freeing him to step into an unknown future that would eventually birth the Bible Project.Meanwhile, Tim Mackie was undergoing his own vocational crucible. Despite his scholarly nature and introverted personality, he had pursued urban pastoral ministry until panic attacks signaled a profound misalignment. "My crucible was giving up being the cool hip urban pastor guy and recognizing that's just not who I'm made to be," Tim explains. His journey reveals the courage required to release cultural expectations and embrace authentic calling.What makes this episode particularly powerful is the reflection on divine timing in our suffering. Tim draws from the seven-day creation narrative to illustrate how all non-divine beings must journey through cycles of light and darkness toward completion. "The biblical story tells us that our cycles of going through the night are going somewhere," he observes, offering hope that our crucibles serve an essential purpose in character formation.Whether you're currently facing your own crucible or helping others through theirs, this conversation offers profound insights on surrender, authentic leadership, and the redemptive purpose behind our most challenging seasons.Leaders on Firewww.leadersonfire.com

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