In this rooftop conversation, Jairus Matthew Copeland sits down with his wife, Sarah, for an honest exploration of self-sabotage, avoidance, and the challenges of feeling stuck. Jairus opens up about his current season of struggle—where even the simplest creative acts feel heavy—and Sarah reflects on the ways their coping styles differ. Together, they discuss the importance of patience, surrender, and holding boundaries, while also laughing through distractions from their energetic dog and the vibrant downtown Cincinnati backdrop.The episode touches on themes of emotional growth, sobriety, and how to navigate seasons that feel like regression but may actually be opportunities for deeper self-understanding. 

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