While we take a season break, we’re bringing back this unforgettable conversation with Devorie Kreiman, a mother, educator, and woman of deep faith who has lived through unimaginable loss.In this episode, Devorie shares the raw journey of losing multiple childre, and the lifelong work of finding G-d in the depths of grief. With honesty, courage, and spiritual clarity, she teaches us how to move from “life is impossible” to “I am possible,” holding pain and faith in the same breath.Find out more about Devorie Kreiman and purchase her book, "Even If I'm Not" at www.devoriekreiman.comThis episode originally aired June 2022. Season 6 returns on Sunday, Sep. 7.* * * * * * *To inquire about sponsorship & advertising opportunities, please email us at [email protected] support our work, visit humanandholy.com/sponsor.Find us on Instagram @humanandholy & subscribe to our channel to stay up to date on all our upcoming conversations ✨Human & Holy podcast is available on all podcast streaming platforms. * * * * * * *TIMESTAMPS00:00 – Introduction: Season break 00:53 – Meet Devorie Kreiman and her story of loss and faith02:15 – Losing her first child: the diagnosis and heartbreak03:30 – A pattern of illness: discovering a genetic condition04:40 – The sudden, tragic death of her son Yossi06:15 – Teaching HaYom Yom the day Yossi died07:30 – The mitzvah of lighting Shabbos candles through grief08:55 – Beginning the spiritual journey of doing what feels impossible10:00 – The early years: grieving four sick children11:40 – The pain of stopping to have more children13:15 – What her sick children taught her about unconditional love14:30 – Navigating deep jealousy, pain, and spiritual honesty16:00 – How her son's passing reshaped her identity and reality17:50 – The quiet, paralyzing grief after Yossi’s death18:40 – “Even If I’m Not” – the story behind the title of her book20:30 – Frozen with pain: knowing truth but struggling to live it21:30 – The role of EMDR, EFT, and therapy in healing22:30 – A powerful memory from Simchas Torah: “I’m possible”25:00 – The final day of shiva and a miraculous moment of hope26:45 – Tapping into the soul’s strength: “We are possible”28:00 – The deeper awareness of a soul’s journey and Hashem’s plan29:00 – Spiritual growth vs. prolonged grief – finding the balance30:00 – Becoming a grandmother to Yossi’s namesake31:40 – Navigating bittersweet joy through birth and loss33:00 – Real-time self-talk: making space for grief and joy34:30 – Reclaiming rituals like Shabbos candles with new meaning36:15 – The lifelong challenge of answering “How many children do you have?”37:20 – Deepened joy and gratitude that grows through loss38:30 – Appreciation, laughter, and high-quality living after grief39:40 – Final advice: how to bring Chassidus into daily struggle41:00 – “We need light in the tunnel, not just at the end”42:00 – Closing thoughts: a life of small lights, faith, and awareness43:10 – Outro: Human & Holy Season 6 returns September 7

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