Cody Mansfield joins the show to unpack the real value of residency and fellowship training — and to share insights from his new Cardon Research Award–funded study examining outcomes in non-operative knee pain.Cody serves as Director of the Ohio State OMPT Fellowship, research associate, physical therapist, associate editor for JOSPT Cases, and instructor in the OSU DPT program. His mixed-methods research evaluates whether post-professional training changes outcomes related to quality, service, and cost — and what patients themselves value about receiving care from fellowship-trained clinicians.In this conversation: • Why this research matters for the future of OMPT • Early insights from comparing trained vs. non-trained clinicians • Patient perspectives on fellowship-trained PTs • Residency vs. fellowship — how they actually differ • Cody’s educational sessions on LE referral patterns and spinal decision-making • His journey through a PhD while raising two young boysWhether you’re a student, clinician, educator, or program director, this episode gives you a grounded look at what advanced training really does for patient care.

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