Ever wish you could handle tough conversations without feeling like you’re losing your cool or your integrity? In this episode of Five with Fry, Dr. Jen Fry dives into the real reason conflict feels so messy, and why most of us have never been taught how to do it well. Jen shares insights and stories from her new book, I Said No: How to Have a Backbone and Boundaries Without Being a Jerk, revealing that conflict skills aren’t something you master alone. They’re built in the heat of real-life conversations, with real people.Jen gets honest about the guilt, shame, and second-guessing that often come with setting boundaries and advocating for yourself. She explains why avoiding conflict actually holds us back, and why those uncomfortable moments—when emotions run high and your defenses pop up—are actually powerful data points for growth. The episode breaks down practical tools and reflection questions from the book, showing how they can help teams, book clubs, and organizations strengthen their conflict muscles together.Whether you’re leading a group or just looking for healthier relationships, Jen makes the case that “your relationships are only as deep as your conflict skills.” Ready to ditch the dread and build real confidence around difficult conversations? Tune in for your first step toward navigating conflict with more backbone, more boundaries, and a lot less stress.Pre-order Jen's book here: https://jenfrytalks.com/book/

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