This week on the show I have the sister and brother duo Emily and Jack Rowland. Individually Emily and Jack are up to vital work across ocean conservation, plastics eradication, food system revitalisation and equitable health care outcomes, but together they create a dynamic and diverse way of being and doing in the world that I wanted to bring onto the show. One thing I’m conscious of with this show is the age of the guests that I have on - leaning towards speaking with and learning from experts in the middle or second halves of their careers who’ve worked for decades in their field. Young people - both on this show and in just about every other forum - are usually not thought about for inclusion or simply dismissed as too idealistic, too naive and with too little real world experience to offer valuable insights and lessons. In a world where most things seems to be falling apart, perhaps leaning on that established order is a mistake in itself. More of what’s been occurring probably means more of what we’ve got now.In a week where a treacherous decision to approve a carbon bomb project out til 2070 was followed up by a doomish explanation of the future we’re sleepwalking into, the role and necessity of including young people’s voices feels essential. Emily and Jack are both in their early 20s, but combine diverse lived experiences across multiple countries with their ongoing studies and many and varied community and organisational commitments to offer a perspective on where young people today are, what motivates them, how they differ from those who’ve come before them but also the base human instincts to belong, to participate and to be of service.Emily’s environmental advocacy is born from a deep connection to place and country. She’s involved with organisations like Regen Sydney and Who Does the Dishes, and the experiences she had growing up in both Sydney and Las Vegas have shaped her approach to story telling, showing up and seeking change. For Jack, a life changing health diagnosis at 12 years of age changed everything for him, and over time as he’s come to reckon with the realities of that diagnosis and he’s developed a passion and capability in connecting one person’s health and wellbeing into a broader system that can bias, discriminate against and exclude many.This was such an incredibly valuable conversation for me. When was the last time I’d sat down with a couple of younger people and really spoke with and listened to them? Embarrassingly, I can’t remember. Their vibrancy and optimism was evident, still to be tarnished or harmed repetitively by a system that seems intent on maintaining vested interests and enabling captured power dynamics. In a week when the national climate risk assessment was released, and I’ve been thinking a lot about the world I’ve brought my own child into, young people not only deserve but need to be included in the way decisions are made. Emily and Jack are examples of the transformative potential of new perspectives, fresh thinking and yet to become bitter and twisted people.Events are live and more are coming - follow on Humanitix.Follow on LinkedIn, Substack and Instagram. Today's show is delivered with Altiorem. Use code FindingNature25 to get 25% off an annual subscription.Today's show is delivered with Regenerate Talent. Reference Finding Nature for 10% off their career advisory sSend me a messageThanks for listening. Follow Finding Nature on Instagram

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