In this episode of the Essential Leadership to End Poverty Podcast, our host Scott Miller sits down with Commissioner Clarence Carter—one of the boldest leaders in human services reform—to unpack a lifetime of leadership lessons, from high school walkouts to national policy change. Commissioner Carter shares his "baptism by fire" into leadership, the uncomfortable truths about poverty systems, and why real empowerment doesn't come from programs—but from shifting power to the people themselves. If you've ever wondered how to truly lead change in complex systems—or how to stop managing poverty and actually end it—this conversation is your masterclass. Tune in for: The origin story of a national change-maker How to lead when no one else will The future of human services—and why it's personal  

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