In today's episode, Nick Warnes has a dialogue with Michael Binder, a professor, pastor, and church leadership consultant. He is currently on the faculty of Luther Seminary teaching ministry leadership; Michael also serves on the Innovation Team at Luther. He helped start Mill City Church in Northeast Minneapolis in 2008 and continues to serve there. He also consults with congregations and denominations in the U.S. and Canada. He lives in Saint Paul with his wife and three children. To find out more about Michael Binder you can visit @michaelbinder on Twitter. Here are some quotes from today's interview: 
""The first time you try something it might fail, and that's ok."" 
""What God has taught us over twelve years is how to adapt. So if this is what adaptation looks like post-COVID, we're ready. We've shifted before, we can shift again."" 
Three Pro Tips for Church Starters: 

Pay attention to whatever you think God is saying to you.
Be around people who can help you process it well. 
You may think you sound crazy -- but that's often a sign God is calling you toward something. 

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There's a lot more going on at Cyclical, including our upcoming international online conference on August 12. Virtually every church around the world has been impacted by COVID-19 and we are all now in various stages of it. It can be hard to trace the threads of how to understand the church and your role in it and what kind of priorities we should be paying attention to right now. We are gathering a group of ecclesial innovators from across our international network for a conference called Faithful Innovation: Beginning a Conversation for a Post-Covid Church. When you register, you'll get the book too: 12 chapters to help you reflect on this unique moment, and make sense of what it means to be church after COVID-19. Register today at cyclicalchurches.com/events.

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