In today's episode, Nick Warnes has a dialogue with Martin Garcia, who has planted two churches since 1993 when he started his ministry. Martin has also been a consultant for churches of different denominations. Martin has more than 23 years of experience working for the nonprofit sector. He has also taught for several educational institutions.
Martin is currently is doing a Doctor in Ministry degree in Missional Leadership at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary, and is the Temporary Pastor of the Spanish Language Ministry of Pasadena Presbyterian Church. 
Here are some quotes from the interview: 
"Today you have people who don't even know what Church is.""
""Figure out what it is you want to do. That is going to be the outline for everything else.""
""Sometimes they don't even do discernment, they just start without thinking. They just start the worship service, and they are thinking, 'Okay what people want is Hillsong worship.' What they are doing is building a Frankenstein monster that talks but does not have a soul because it does not have a vision or a direction.""
""The most critical stage is discernment. If you don't have good discernment, you will be very frustrated."
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