Over the last ten years or so, we’ve seen a huge growth in the number of messaging platforms. With Google recently putting massive pressure on Apple to adopt the RCS standard, I wanted to have a discussion about the security and privacy of the various platforms, especially when we compare them to plain-old SMS.



This episode came about in part due to a Twitter exchange with The Mac Observer, on the back of an article about Google’s RCS push, in which the TMO team mentioned WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger as alternative messaging options. You can imagine that got me somewhat riled up, due to my very public aversion to Meta, so after a nice back and forth with Jeff we agreed to put together this episode to really explore what the various platforms have to offer and why a secure chat app may not always be a private one due to worrying metadata collection practices.



You’ll notice that we focussed mostly on messaging apps, rather than chat apps like Discord or Slack, and that’s really down to the nature of the discussion, as we’re really focussing in on ‘mobile messaging’ with your contacts rather than larger community apps.



Since recording, Sunbird has come along as a way to get iMessage up and running on Android devices. We



We’d absolutely love you to chime in on this one, as I’m sure many of you have differing views on this topic. As long as those views are civil and respectful, we’d love to hear from you, so send a note over to [email protected], leave a comment on the post, or start a discussion in Goodpods.



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Episode Links




Jeff Butts on Mastodon / Twitter



The Mac Observer: Website / Twitter



Tim Cook Makes Apple’s Stance on RCS Clear – The Mac Observer



RCS End to End Encryption: Google Messages Only



Signal



What Data Do Signal Have?



How Signal Handles Contacts



Is Telegram Secure – Heimdall Security



WhatsApp Security – They label this as privacy, but as you’ll hear it’s actually how they secure your chats, privacy is a whole different thing.



WhatsApp Rebuked Over Contacts Storage (BBC News – 2013)



Viber



I Refuse to Sign Up to Viber, Here’s Why – Hayden James




Chapter Times




00:00:04: Introductions



00:02:51: What’s Wrong With SMS?



00:06:42: Google’s Push For RCS



00:11:21: Messaging App Usage Around The World



00:15:20: Undesirables



00:17:16: Chatting In The USA



00:18:33: End To End Encryption?



00:24:32: Meta’s P...

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