Ruth and Dawn are discussing something that nobody talks about in seminary: pastors are natural salespeople who cast vision, build programs, and run stewardship campaigns. But when it comes to using those same skills to start a side hustle? Suddenly we're "too commercial" or "not focused on ministry." After 20 years watching talented women pastors struggle financially while apologizing for wanting financial stability, we have some thoughts, and a program called Discern by Doing for Business that's changing everything.LINKS:Talk with Dawn about being part of Discern by Doing for Business: https://bigpicturebigpurpose.lpages.co/explore/What We're Covering:Why "being too forward" is code for "being effective" (00:00)Two decades of trial, error, and refusing to take no for an answer (06:49)

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