Summary In this conversation, Amas Tenumah and Bob Furniss explore the critical themes of leadership, empathy, and the evolving dynamics in contact centers, especially in the context of AI integration. They discuss the importance of creating a safe and trusting environment for employees, the need for compassion in leadership, and the distinction between finding meaning from work versus meaning at work. The conversation emphasizes that as technology advances, the human element in leadership becomes even more vital. Takeaways Empathy can be learned but is often defined differently by individuals. Leaders must create a safe space for employees to express themselves. Hope, trust, compassion, and stability are essential for effective leadership. The relationship between agents and managers is changing with AI integration. Employees need to feel safe to express unpopular opinions without fear of repercussions. The shift towards a people-based business model is crucial in contact centers. Meaning at work is derived from relationships, not just salary. Compassion in leadership helps employees feel valued and supported. AI should enhance human interactions, not replace them. Leaders should regularly assess if they are providing hope and trust to their teams.  

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