In this episode, we dive deep with Luke Allen—Pastor of Covenant Church, COO of Excel Leadership Network, and a skilled woodworker with a passion for creating. Luke has played a pivotal role in establishing over 500 churches and is dedicated to guiding pastors through the complex landscape of leadership.

Join us as Luke unpacks the surprising reasons we need more churches, exposes the hidden pitfalls that can lead pastors to inadvertently harm their congregations, and shares his thought-provoking take on the high expectations placed on ministry leaders. It’s a revealing conversation you won’t want to miss.

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