In this profoundly tender conversation, Dr. Habīb speaks with Dr. Frank Rogers Jr.—author, teacher, and co-founder of the Center for Engaged Compassion—about healing from trauma through the steady presence of Divine compassion. Together, they explore the lifelong process of recovering from abuse, the courage to face betrayal and rage, and the transformation that comes from knowing we are held—always—in compassion. Frank shares how his own journey led him to reimagine God beyond patriarchal images of power and control, toward a maternal, merciful Presence that never turns away.This episode is a sacred space for survivors, seekers, and anyone yearning to experience love that does not flinch in the face of pain.Support the showTo make an appointment with Dr. Habib, visit https://www.habibboerger.com/.

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