In this heartfelt conversation, Dr. Habīb is joined by psychotherapist and family therapist Vanessa McNamara to explore the deep overlap between spirituality and relationships. From Vanessa’s Irish Catholic upbringing and mystical encounters to her discovery of Sufism, Buddhism, and shamanic traditions, she shares how personal crisis and ego-death opened her to an integrated path of spirit and healing. Together, Habīb and Vanessa reflect on marriage and partner relationships as a crucible for transformation, the courage to face our shadows, and the practice of compassionate self-witnessing. With honesty, humor, and wisdom, they invite us into the sacred work of moving from struggle to presence, from ego to soul, and from separation to connection.Support the showTo make an appointment with Dr. Habib, visit https://www.habibboerger.com/.

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