In this episode, Paul Ascidorian and Matt Johansen discuss the recent targeted attacks by Chinese threat actors, particularly focusing on the Volt Typhoon group. They explore the implications of back doors in cybersecurity, the role of ISPs, and the ongoing tension between privacy and security. The conversation delves into historical contexts, the evolution of threat actor tactics, and the shared responsibility model in cybersecurity. They also highlight the challenges of supply chain security and the visibility issues that make network devices vulnerable to attacks. In this conversation, Paul and Matt discuss the evolution of software security, focusing on the shift from traditional vulnerabilities to emerging threats in network devices. They emphasize the importance of observability and aligning incentives for better security practices. The discussion also highlights the need for innovation in infrastructure security, including the use of modern web frameworks and memory-safe languages to enhance security measures.  

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