This week we were joined by Ravi Arps, the founder and principal of Plane, a general contracting company, and Max Michel, the owner of M2 Finish Works, a cabinetry and finished carpentry contractor.They explore the shifting definition of perfection in handmade construction, building trust with clients and collaborators, and how an obsession with solving for scale in the industry keeps them up at night. This episode is brought to you by Reilly Architectural, known for their custom windows and doors, and Madera, specialists in handcrafted wood floors and Seamless Wood Design® solutions.

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