Anna Palumbo (SO/SP 9w8 937) returns for a second conversation—this time reflecting on the shifts she's experienced since our last recording. We begin with a live performance of her original song Wings for the Heart, a piece that emerged in the wake of personal rupture and now stands as both witness and balm. What follows is a layered exploration of emotional fragmentation, the disorienting effects of internal and external turbulence, and the slow, deliberate work of reweaving oneself from the inside out. Anna speaks candidly about a transformative road trip with her family that cracked something open—making space for parts of herself she’d long kept at bay. We discuss the cost of emotional suppression, the subtle tensions in relational dynamics, and the grounded power that comes from living with greater authenticity. What emerges is the portrait of a Nine learning to inhabit her full aliveness, not by transcending conflict but by letting all the pieces have a seat at the table. LINKS Learn at The Enneagram School https://theenneagramschool.com/ Intro Course https://www.theenneagramschool.com/intro-enneagram-course Get Typed https://www.enneagrammer.com/ Sinsomnia Podcast (Dreams) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sinsomnia/id1684154994 House of Enneagram https://www.youtube.com/@houseofenneagram TIMESTAMPS 0:00 - Intro 7:31 - Following the bird song, the healing power of music, Performance of 'Wings for the Heart' 16:20 - Embracing vulnerability in art, heart receiving, a 9 in her element 20:36 - 9s line to 3, saturating a space with energy, showing up as 'I Am' 23:10 - Reflections since the previous interview, coping between internal and external world, "competency cringe" 28:03 - Noticing 'numbness' in presence, self-location versus fragmented states, 'needing time to arrive' 36:03 - Incongruences with life force, realignment with self by taking on a solid form, family road trip 47:43 - Not having a backlog of emotions or rage, 'bigness' of 9, transforming the need to manage oneself 52:34 - Embracing conflict and personal sovereignty, living in the space between myself and others 55:28 - Journaling/posting during travel leads to finding inner voice and framing of experience, feeling at home in my world 61:15 - Parenting with presence and clarity, "I'm more than just 'mom'", allowing struggles to exist in a child's life 01:08:30 - Integration of different threads of self, congruence within relationships 01:11:43 - Surrendering to self-authenticity, attachment dynamics shifting, a new energetic body 01:23:04 - Outro CREDITS Interview by Josh Lavine Edited by Kristen Oberly Music by Coma-Media from Pixabay Coma-Media: https://pixabay.com/users/coma-media-24399569/ Pixabay: https://pixabay.com/ --- #enneagram #enneagramtypes #enneagram9

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