in this episode of *Unconventional Wisdom About Conventional Wisdom*, I sit down with the brilliant and unapologetically authentic Patricia DeFonte, founder of DeFonte Law PC an estate planning firm that’s as values-driven as it is successful.

Patricia shares how she built a firm that truly *runs on rails one that reflects her philosophy of small, continuous improvement (Kaizen), deep trust, and human-centered systems. We explore what it really means to lead by listening, and why the best leaders are often the quietest ones in the room.

We also talk about:
* The one outdated leadership belief she’d throw out and what she’d replace it with.
* How defining your company culture is the foundation for everything that follows.
* Why rest, saying no, and curating who you spend time with might just be the ultimate growth strategy.
* Real talk about conferences, imposter syndrome, and giving yourself permission to leave the room.

This conversation is packed with practical insights and unconventional lessons for entrepreneurs, business leaders, and anyone rethinking what success truly means.

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