When communities are confronted by both resilient structural violence and attacks on their bodies, violent responses will occur. This is especially evident right now in the US, where many of the protests have been characterised by violent action. Protests in response to the deaths of Black people at the hands of police or military - George Floyd in the United States, Collins Khosa in South Africa, Adama Traore in France - speak to a growing rage across the globe at continued white supremacy and the use of state violence to support it. We’re in conversation with the CEO of the Nelson Mandela Foundation, Mr Sello Hatang, - he is of the view that “in South Africa twenty-six years of democracy have not as yet ensured that Black lives matter as much as White lives”.Guest:Sello Hatang - CEO of the Nelson Mandela Foundation

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