Natalie Argerious and Ray Dubicki talk about why Walt Disney was a pesky kind of utopian, creating expansive visions of walkable traditional cities and then building them off highway exits in California and Florida. We go through some of Walt's actual vision, the influences he drew from shopping malls, and how Disneyland ideas have broken the cities we come back to. Malls and amusement parks might feel safe, but it might be an illusion that clouds our judgment of real places.Also, did I mention that Rise of the Resistance was THE BEST. 

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