We’re joined by Dr. Nick Gatzke, Lead Pastor of Old North Church, to dig into a recent article and studies that reveal surprising dynamics in the church in 2025:Why there are more small churches, yet more people are drawn to large churches—and the challenges that creates.How the median age for pastors (59) and the rise of second-career pastors impacts training and leadership.What the data says about overall satisfaction in pastoral ministry today.Watch this Episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/nAYXvYlPJooSpecial thanks to our sponsors: JLP CPAs • Edgewater Investment Group • Upliftd Stream Get exclusive content (including Ron Eastwood, Daria Swisher, and Cindi Ferrini!) at: patreon.com/thethirdplacepodcast Learn more about Stained Glass Media: stainedglass-media.com Like the episode? Subscribe, review, and share with a friend!Donate to our nonprofit, The Cleveland Ministry Collective - https://www.clevelandministrycollective.org/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/podthirdplace?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==

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