In Episode #9 of the Power Shift: Decolonising Development, Prof Kate Bird and Charmaine McCaulay, founders of this podcast series, reflect on what they have learned from the past eight episodes. Kate speaks on White fragility and ‘best White-ism’ within the development industry, and how she’s engaged in self-reflection regarding her role in the industry as a White woman. Charmaine brings up the hesitation from previous guests on the podcast to engage in self-reflection and speak to their personal experiences with racism and colonial relations of power, which clashes with her background in psychotherapy. Kate and Charmaine discuss the potential benefits of encouraging self-reflection and vulnerability within the practice of international development, in order to decolonize current practices of power and privilege.Prof Kate Bird is Director of The Development Hub, Professor of Practice at the University of Surrey; Senior Associate at ODI and Associate with the Chronic Poverty Advisory Network.Charmaine leads on The Development Hub’s anti-racism and decolonisation work. She is the founder and Director of Kokoro, a company specialising in anti-racism training, therapy, mentoring and coaching and brings with her over 25 years experience as a trainer and expert in addressing racism.If you’re interested to find out more about Kate’s or Charmaine’s work, you can take a look at the Development Hub website.Resource recommendations:Episode #4 of Power Shift: Decolonising Development with Andries du ToitEpisode #7 of Power Shift: Decolonising Development with Eyob GebremariamFigure: Persecutor, Victim, Adult Triangle4 Types of PowerPowercube: Understanding power for social changeKarpman Drama Triangle

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