In this episode, Dan talks with author Phebe Trotman about resilience and the importance of perseverance. They discuss the myth of constant motivation, the power of having a strong community, and the importance of being intentional, especially during challenging times.  

Phebe Trotman emphasizes the need to focus on our end goals and find things to be grateful for, even when facing adversity. She also highlights the importance of movement and changing our state to shift our perspective and emotions.

The conversation explores the concept of strategic quitting, with Trotman advising listeners to quit on a good day, when they are excited about the next opportunity, rather than running away from something. The episode concludes with a discussion on building resilience by being intentional about the people we surround ourselves with and having tools in our tool belt to help us navigate challenges.  

Key Topics Covered:

Resilience and perseverance  
The myth of constant motivation  
The power of community  
Being intentional during challenging times  
Focusing on end goals  
Finding gratitude even in adversity  
The importance of movement and changing state  
Strategic quitting  
Quitting on a good day  
Building resilience through intentionality and preparation  


About Phebe
Phebe Trotman is a successful and heart-centered
entrepreneur based in Vancouver, Canada, who is passionate about helping others discover their joy. In both her athletic and professional careers, Phebe’s personal success has been a testament that anything is possible with hard work, dedication, and a team-centered approach.

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