In this episode of The Ops Drop, we talk with Ed Morgan — a 20+ year software engineer and founder - about what it takes to build an effective, business-savvy engineering team in 2025.We dive into engineering team structure, hiring the right engineers, working with outsourced vs in-house teams, and how to align engineering metrics with business outcomes. Whether you're a CTO, VP of Engineering, or product leader, this conversation will help you rethink how engineering teams should operate in today’s tech landscape.Timestamps:00:40- Ed Morgan: journalist turned engineer03:30- STEM vs Non-STEM educated engineers05:50- What to look for in your engineering candidates08:20- Outsourcing vs hiring in-house engineers10:35- How hiring trends have changed over time in engineering14:15- Working with outsourced vs in-house teams16:00- The ROI of your engineering team18:00 What does a healthy engineering org look like?!22:00- Aligning engineering metrics with business outcomes, and where to get started23:45- Optimal engineering team structures26:00- How to get your engineers "out of the basement" and closer to the business29:45- Top 3 things engineering leaders need to be thinking about in 2025Connect with Ed Morgan 🔗 LinkedIn:   / edwardpmorgan   🌐 Gordian Knot: https://www.gordianknot.company/our-team

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