Higher education leaders and policy makers in Australia are facing a lot of hard decisions right now.  The New Social Contract Podcast spoke with UTS Vice-Chancellor Professor Attila Brungs  and Shadow Minister for Education and Training Tanya Plibersek to find out their different perspectives on the purpose and role of universities in the 21st century.  There are lots of factors contributing to the uncertainty in the tertiary sector at present - will international students return? How much debt can be sustained? What will happen to research funding?  But one thing that would make it easier to act in the present, is a clear plan for what universities should do in the future. What are universities in Australia for? The answer to that question will shape the kind of system we get.  *Note: The interview with Vice-Chancellor Professor Attila Brungs took place on Tuesday June 9 2020.  The interview with Tanya Plibersek, Shadow Minister for Education and Training took place on Tuesday June 16 2020. 

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