In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk Pope Francis, dirty dishes, eternal life, and Dave's new book, The Big Relief. Also, RJ bleeds in the pulpit while Sarah takes us to the alley.
Click here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj5z4SbrH20) to listen to (and watch) Gregory Porter sing "Take Me to the Alley".
Click here (https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2025/04/how-to-load-dishwasher/682425/) to read Ellen Cushing's "There Are Two Types of Dishwasher People" in the Atlantic.
Click here (https://oliverbatemandoesthework.substack.com/p/the-work-of-small-talk) to read "The Work of Small Talk" from the Oliver Bateman Does the Work substack.
Click here (https://amzn.to/44doDBg) to order Dave's book, The Big Relief: The Urgency of Grace for a Worn-Out World.
Click here (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/give-and-take/id1054531804?i=1000703777631) to listen to the interview that RJ mentions (Dave on Give + Take with Scott Jones). Or here to watch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FajbkMAVWiU) it.
Click here (https://mbird.com/holidays/easter/eternal-life-is-not-embarrassing/) to read Bryan Jarrell's piece, "Eternal Life Is Not Embarrassing" on Mbird.

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