"If you ask me, the most important thing is: who is at the table and who's not, right? Because –who is at the table and who's not?– determines what's on the agenda and the values that are underlying whatever's going on. So the most important structural intervention that you could make is to involve people who have a strong interest in whatever the proceeding is or whatever the effort's going to be, to be at the decision making table."
In this episode, Arden Castle is in conversation with Dr. Camara Jones and Dr. Keon Gilbert about race, racism, and antiracism. They dissect these definitions, identify patterns in the US and UK, encourage making institutional walls porous, and discuss intergenerational bridging. Dr. Jones also offers her 4 Habits of Mind (the 4 BC's) for social justice warriors: be courageous, be curious, be collective, and build community. For a deeper dive on this topic, watch Dr. Jones's TedTalk and check out HPP's What Is Antiracism in Health Promotion Practice? special issue in Volume 24 Issue 1, January 2023.

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