In this clip, Max Smeets explains his PETIO framework — a practical model for how countries can build effective cyber capabilities.PETIO stands for People, Exploits, Tools, Infrastructure, and Organization, but as the guest emphasizes, it all starts with People — recruiting, training, and retaining the right talent, both technical and non-technical.Surprisingly, the most discussed element, exploits, might actually be the least essential. As NSA’s Rob Joyce once said, success in cyber operations often comes not from flashy zero-days, but from knowing your adversary’s network better than they do.This clip is a must-watch for anyone curious about how cyber power is really built behind the scenes.Watch Full Episode: https://youtu.be/XXSIa5-exTI

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