What happens when the need to be seen leaves you climbing for clarity? In this episode of Faith Between the Lines, we look at Zacchaeus — the tax collector who climbed a sycamore tree just to catch a glimpse of Jesus — and Alfred “Paper Boi” Miles from Atlanta, a rapper climbing the ladder of fame but losing sight of himself along the way.

Through their stories, we unpack what it really means to be seen versus just visible, and how Jesus meets us right where we are — even in the trees we’ve built to feel important.

🎧 Tune in for a powerful conversation about identity, visibility, and grace that reminds us:

You don’t have to climb higher to be seen by God — you just have to come down and let Him call your name.

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