In this episode, we chat with Andrew Hulbert, founder of Pareto FM and all-round industry shaker-upper, about what it really looks like to lead in FM right now. From budget pressure and net zero targets to ED&I and the rise of AI, we cover the practical wins, the missed opportunities, and the big shifts still to come.

Andrew shares why now’s the time for FM to stop playing small, whether that’s reframing value, owning culture, or finally ditching the tick-box approach to tech and inclusion.

This one’s packed with straight talk, smart ideas, and a fresh take on what’s possible when FM steps up, speaks out, and does things differently.

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