Today we are going to dive deep into the origins of fatherhood and what it was designed to be. We’re also going to explore how fatherhood is connected to identity and purpose.My guest is my pastor Meshach Faaeteete. Pastor Faaeteete is husband and a father of two boys. He is passionate about helping men connect with their true God given identity and purpose.You can connect with pastor Meshach Faaeteete at:Phone: (650) 636-6811Email: [email protected] thanks to Smile Online Course & Books for sponsoring this episode. To learn more visit: https://thefatherhoodchallenge--smileteenskills.thrivecart.com/social-career-skills-accelerator/Create your podcast today! #madeonzencastrhttps://zencastr.com/?via=thefatherhoodchallengeTranscript:00:16.58Jonathan GuerreroToday we're going to dive deep into the origins of fatherhood and what it's designed to be. We're also going to explore how fatherhood is connected to identity and purpose in just a moment. So don't go anywhere.00:29.12Jonathan GuerreroGreetings, everyone. Thank you so much for joining me in this episode called The Paternal Instinct, Foundational or fabric Fabricated. My guest is Pastor Mishak Faitete. Pastor Faitete is not only a pastor, but a husband and a father of two boys.00:43.49Jonathan GuerreroHe is passionate about helping men connect with their true God-given identity and purpose. Pastor Faitete, welcome to the Fatherhood Challenge.00:53.60MeshachThank you. Glad to be here.00:56.60Jonathan GuerreroOkay, my favorite question of all, what is your favorite dad joke?01:01.48MeshachFavorite dad joke. Okay. um So it goes, my wife complains that I don't buy her flowers. To be honest, I didn't know she sold them.01:14.53MeshachThat's all I got.01:18.20Jonathan Guerreroah That's perfect. All right. Well, this episode is going to go a little deep. So, so we'll not waste any more time. So let's dive in. Let's start with your story about the moment you became a father for the first time.01:32.21Jonathan GuerreroWere you scared, excited, both? What thoughts ran through your mind?01:38.48MeshachYes, so I both, I was both scared and excited. i was excited because having a child was something my wife and I ah really wanted. and We had been praying for some time for it.01:51.99MeshachBut I was also scared for a number of reasons. For one, having a child, another life, another life, in my, as part of my responsibility to nurture and raise, that task seemed pretty pretty big task. And so that that scared me at first. Another thing I was scared about was before my firstborn, Niles, we had experienced a pretty heartbreaking miscarriage.02:24.03MeshachAnd that one was, it was, I think, the I forgot which one of the first checkups that we had and it was going to be the one with the ultrasound where we could see the baby and when we looked, there was no baby and we had already told our families and so that that one was that experience was pretty heartbreaking. And so I was fearful of like, what if this happens again or something like that? So I'm fearful for for us and and especially for my wife.02:57.75MeshachI didn't want to see her heartbroken in in that sense too. So yeah, I was both scared and excited. ah Thoughts running through my mind.03:11.10Meshachum When my my firstborn came, which is Niles, When he was born, i was I had to go home to get food.03:23.32Meshachum He was born like around midnight in Niles, Michigan. And ah the the nurses had stated that they only had food for my wife, but for me, and this was a whole day of ah delivery. So I went home and as I went home, I remember my child was already born probably about an hour or two before.03:46.10MeshachAnd it was it was kind of this weird thought. Like, I checked the house to see if everything was okay, like clean and stuff. And it was a strange experience because it's like I was cleaning the house for a guest because someone that we've never had at home. But this wasn't just any guest. This was my son. So I still have trouble explaining that. But, yeah, um I remember that running through my head. Like, oh, man, is everything okay for our son when he comes home? It's like preparing for a guest. But, no, this is this is your child.04:15.16MeshachSo, yeah.04:18.38Jonathan GuerreroYeah. ah As you were describing this, it was taking me back to my own experience. i I still remember the day that we took our son home from the hospital. And actually, it was just me. um my My wife had to stay behind um for for just a little bit. So I went home first. so and And so I had my son and in the back, and I'm driving the van, and it's just me and him.04:47.20MeshachYeah.04:47.23Jonathan GuerreroAnd I still remember it was nighttime and I had a classical music station on to help him sleep. And in that calm, all kinds of thoughts ran through my mind.05:00.82Jonathan GuerreroEverything was a mixture of both excitement and ah a little bit of maybe healthy fear ah of what was what was ahead.05:00.90MeshachYeah.05:09.20MeshachYeah.05:12.54Jonathan GuerreroAnd just wondering, am I really ready to do this?05:16.45Meshachyeah05:18.05Jonathan GuerreroAnd if not, how do I get myself ready? Because ready or not, here it is. It's happening right now.05:24.45MeshachYeah, yeah.05:27.32Jonathan GuerreroSo i can I can totally relate to that. Yes.05:29.93MeshachYeah, for sure. I remember in our drive too, i don't know if this happened with you, but... It took me back to, i started driving like i I did when I first got my license for some strange reasons.05:43.24MeshachLike I was really, I was comfortable driving.05:44.84Jonathan Guerreroyes05:46.21MeshachI was just everything had to be slow and turns were like, you know, I was double checking, triple checking left and right lanes. It's, you know, because it's so small and fragile and precious in the backseat.05:58.86MeshachAnd I'm like, oh man, I don't want anything that happened. So it it did affect my driving at first too.06:05.93Jonathan GuerreroThat's funny. i didn't You just brought that memory back as well. I do remember doing exactly the same thing on the drive home, watching every light. I drove a little slower, everything.06:16.23MeshachYeah.06:17.70Jonathan Guerreroand And I do remember actually being conscious of that in that moment, thinking, wow, I don't drive like this normally.06:25.44Meshachyet06:25.52Jonathan GuerreroWhat's going on?06:26.82MeshachYeah.06:29.43Jonathan GuerreroAbsolutely. When did you discover the connection between your boys being the image of you and you being the image of your heavenly father?06:38.50Meshachum That's a, that's a great question. Um, so I, I discovered this when ah my wife and I were teaching our son, and both Niles and Noah, to pray before eating.06:55.85MeshachSo they they know to pray and we constantly, we've reminded them, this this was a drill. We've done this every single day to the point where they could do it themselves before their food gets placed in front of them. They already got their hands folded and they're ready to say prayer to bless the food, ask God to to bless the food.07:15.28MeshachAnd there was one day where for some reason I think I was just in a rush or on the go and I was just kind of grabbing something to eat on the way.07:26.84MeshachWell, my son, he was in the in in his chair and he he saw dad put a piece of food in his mouth without praying. And so as I'm chewing that first bite, he goes and and throws a prayer up for me.07:35.27Jonathan GuerreroOh wow. Wow.07:39.87MeshachHe says, Jesus bless the food, amen. And I remember looking at that and you he kind of said it loud like, Daddy, you didn't do the prayer. And when in that moment that kind of showed me, man, number one, they're really picking things up.07:48.75Jonathan Guerrerowow07:56.14MeshachSo you're not just teaching them things to replicate, but they want to see it done in you. And as I reflect on my relationship with our Heavenly Father, And it's sort of a ah beautiful illustration that what he has called me to do and the things that he is teaching me as a father, as a man, he is not calling me to do anything that he hasn't already done.08:24.14MeshachYou know, it's not do as I say, not as I do. Christ was a ah living example. So, you know, we love to talk about God of, you know, his love and and mercy and things like that. But some of the more challenging teachings of scripture, such as um forgiveness.08:42.19Meshachloving your neighbors or loving your enemies and praying for them. Some of these more difficult challenges, it's like when I think about it, well, God has not just called me to do it. He's done it himself. And so seeing that relation, so it was definitely a sort of a um a moment of reflection, like, hey, yeah, be mindful. my My son is watching, you know, not just what I'm teaching him, but what I'm doing. Am I living that out? And then relating that to how God has been that perfect example for me.09:15.64Jonathan GuerreroOh, that's beautiful. That's beautiful. As you were talking, I was had this image in my mind of the parable of the prodigal son and how in some sense Jesus was was was the model of what the elder son was supposed to be and that um in that sibling sense that Jesus has been referred to as our older brother.09:25.92MeshachHmm.09:35.92MeshachYeah. Yeah.09:45.53Jonathan GuerreroAnd we are estranged or alienated from our father. And all Jesus wants is to re is to reunite us back with his father, our father, and to bring that relationship closer.09:58.13Meshachyeah10:00.84Jonathan GuerreroEverything that the older brother and the prodigal son was supposed to do and that the father would have wished from that older son10:09.60MeshachYeah.10:09.95Jonathan GuerreroAnd um yeah, that was powerful. I don't think I've ever had that view of the older brother until you just said you so until you just shared your story.10:21.47MeshachYeah. it's It's also beautiful, too, as you were sharing that, that despite um failing in his older brother responsibilities,10:32.28MeshachGod still would, you know, the father, when he comes back in the picture, he you know, he doesn't say angrily. it's You still hear that love in his tone and his compassion and in what he's trying to show him.10:44.16MeshachSo, yeah, even in moments where maybe we've missed the mark on. um on showing like christ's or or god's love, um pointing our are your brothers or our neighbors to God, God still loves us anyways. And so he kind of brings us back like, hey, this is, you know, it's all about love. It's all about compassion. And and we should, we should celebrate your brother was lost and now he's found.11:16.49Jonathan GuerreroAnd I'm hoping in my questions that I haven't gotten ahead of myself and in this the sequence of the questions, but what is the origin of fatherhood and what is its purpose?11:27.33Meshachum11:29.82MeshachOh yeah, um another great question. um So to me, the origin of fatherhood, it started in heaven with God the Father. He was our first father and scripture also talks about our first earthly father that we're told of, which is Adam.11:50.20MeshachWhen Adam was created, um it says he was created in the image of God. And so when I kind of take these into account, To me, that means that Adam was created in such a way that he was to carry on the image of God. And so um as far as purpose, when we talk about fatherhood, to me, that means our purpose as fathers is to reveal who God is.12:16.55MeshachAs fathers, we're called to model love, leadership, compassion in the family, just as God shows that to his children. So, um so in a sense, being a dad, it isn't just about raising kids, but more so it's about representing God.12:35.77MeshachSo every time we love every time we ah discipline, every time we sacrifice for our children, it shows or it should show them a glimpse of our Heavenly Father.12:49.41Jonathan GuerreroCompletely agree. One thing that's very humbling for me, sobering, is the fact that in our culture today, there are so many father-absent children around us.13:05.73MeshachYeah. Yeah.13:06.42Jonathan GuerreroAnd every once in a while, God will bring one of those father absent. I mean, I say father absent because, I mean, they actually all have fathers. That's how they got into the world.13:17.02Jonathan GuerreroBut those fathers are missing from their lives.13:20.22Meshachyeah13:20.84Jonathan GuerreroAnd every once in a while, God might bring one of those children into your circle of influence. And there's a purpose behind that, and there's an expectation. And this is where it gets sobering for me, because based on how you interact with that child, based on how you treat that child, that child is going to develop some sort of an idea of who God is.13:47.33MeshachYeah.13:47.46Jonathan GuerreroAnd more sobering, that child is going to decide whether they want anything to do with this God based on how they were treated by13:47.69MeshachYeah.13:56.27Jonathan Guerreroby you13:57.51Meshachyeah13:58.62Jonathan GuerreroSo um those are just things that I'm um sometimes mindful of. and um And as our culture goes downhill, those occurrences seem to be happening more often where we start seeing more children who have absent fathers coming into our lives.14:17.84MeshachRight. Right. That's I'm glad you brought that up, too, because, yeah, that that's definitely the rap reality of what of the world we live in now, sort of the culture.14:28.23MeshachRight. um in In many areas of the world, a lot of fatherless children. um So with that fact. that makes me sort of double down on the fact that fatherhood is about revealing who God is, because in those cases, uh, where children are left without fathers, you know, for whatever reason, um,14:52.34MeshachIt's beautiful how there are, and and I've heard many stories, many testimonies of how, okay, even in that setting, either through other father figures, other mentors, but even then, even if they had nobody, but just went directly to God, because again, our if our goal is to reveal who God is, we also have a direct connection with Him. And so...15:14.60Meshachum there's ah There's some people in my life who have shared testimonies of how you know they grew up fatherless, but then they ended up just praying to God and developing that relationship. And through that, God was able to fill that word fill that role because ultimately he is our ultimate father. And so um it's, yeah.15:38.02Jonathan GuerreroI have experienced that in my own personal life because I i grew up with a father absent.15:44.31MeshachYeah.15:44.27Jonathan Guerreroum I do know who my father is. I've met him. And i don't have ah I've never had a single bad experience with my father the short years that I've gotten to be around him.15:56.32Jonathan GuerreroThe only bad memory I have were the times when he left.16:00.37MeshachYeah.16:00.77Jonathan Guerreroum But that being said, it was beyond awful growing up ah without him, something I would not wish on my worst enemy. enemy But I can tell you that God has stepped in and fulfilled that role, and he's treated me as a father.16:18.62Meshachyeah16:18.99Jonathan GuerreroAnd I can tell you one instance where I was on my way to a meeting and i was I was a little bit afraid of the meeting, of going to the meeting, not looking forward to it at all.16:31.16Jonathan Guerreroum I was expecting the worst. and And I heard God's voice on the way to the meeting. And you know that scripture that says, for for I have not given you a spirit of fear.16:46.49Jonathan GuerreroI heard that scripture, but the version I heard of it was, I didn't raise a coward.16:53.95Meshachyeah16:55.12Jonathan GuerreroAnd that was God's voice I heard. What a dad would say that's trying to be firm, toughen up a child, and build that child's faith.17:04.50Meshachyeah yeah17:05.63Jonathan GuerreroAnd then he said, go to that meeting. I've already been there.17:10.07Jonathan Guerrerojust like a dad would do. And I show up to that meeting, and every battle I thought I was going to have to fight was already won.17:18.88Meshacho and matt17:20.82Jonathan GuerreroSo this is who God is. This is who our Heavenly Father is, Father to the Fatherless.17:22.77Meshachyeah17:27.69Jonathan GuerreroThat's another scripture verse and how he relates to us.17:29.38MeshachYeah.17:32.62MeshachYeah, for sure. I, um, and, and my wife kind of, so she's, she's actually one of the ones that had that personal testimony because she too grew up without a father. Um, and I remember her sharing with me sort of her journey because it was completely different from mine. I was, I was close to my father. i looked up to him. He was Superman, but um in In her example, um her father was absent.17:59.79MeshachAnd so as she shared with me, just those type of conversations, those prayers, like you had just mentioned, of just having that personal connection and God's sort of just making himself known in in a very tangible way. Like I'm your father, I'm here.18:17.45MeshachAnd seeing, just learning how that comfort ah guided her throughout her childhood. And so that turned out to help me out. um years ago in 2020 when I lost my father.18:31.64MeshachIt's like then all these scriptures like you had just mentioned, a father to the fatherless, ah you know, because I was at a point where, well, where do I turn to? Well, her testimony was really huge in helping me. It's like God is our father.18:43.81MeshachAnd yeah, it's, yeah, I definitely agree with what you were saying.18:51.08Jonathan GuerreroThe mission and purpose of the Fatherhood Challenge is based on Malachi 4.6, which speaks of turning the hearts of fathers to their children. What does this mean to you, and how does it apply to the way we live today?19:03.47Jonathan GuerreroWhat do you think the curse in that scripture verse?19:08.04MeshachSo Malachi 4 verse 6, I think that's a great theme scripture, ah first off. um In that context, I believe it's it refers to, um I mean, throughout scripture, God has always been trying to get his children, his people to turn back to him. There are many instances in where they've turned away from him.19:32.18MeshachAnd so he's sort of trying to bring them back to him, turn their hearts per se. um The Old Testament ends with this, with sort of this passage giving us both um a judgment on guilty. So God will destroy the guilty, but it also gives us a hope that he brings everlasting healing to those who are repentant.19:56.19Meshachum Fast forward to the New Testament, John the Baptist gets on the scene and he starts preaching this gospel message again, trying to call the children back to, to God, ah back to him. And so when I think of what that means to me, Father, turning your hearts, uh,20:14.41Meshachah turning the hearts to their children, it first means to me is, do I turn back to my father? Like, my relationship how is my relationship? If ultimately the goal of fatherhood is to reveal who God is, is my heart turned back to him? because And then therefore, having that be the foundation of me turning my heart to my children, not just being present in the home, but fully being engaged emotionally, spiritually?20:43.26Meshachum Am I turning my my heart to my kids? Am I showing that, you know, being good stewards of raising them in that way? um And in terms of the curse, just by looking at what we had mentioned before, the fact that there are many children growing up fatherless or their fathers are absent.21:07.22MeshachI feel like the curse, that this is something I'm still sort of trying to flesh out, but from my understanding of it now, I feel like it's and somewhat related to sort of the the effects we see from that, right? So we have children growing up with with anger, resentment, and we see broken homes, like and this is truly affecting not just those families, but our society. It's it's in our churches. And so when when I think about a curse, I think this is something that is visibly seen as a direct result of that.21:46.03Jonathan GuerreroYeah, totally. Spot on with that. This is the way I've seen it as well. It took me forever to try to come to grips with the curse and what that means. And why would God say that after, you know, we can get the warm fuzzies around turning the hearts of fathers to their children?21:55.64Meshachand22:02.60Jonathan GuerreroI don't know anybody that can't get behind that message, but the curse, like we don't want to talk about that. We don't want to deal with that.22:09.57Meshachyeah22:10.20Jonathan GuerreroBut it's true. Like when we look at it, I look back to when it was actually written. And back when that was written, there were no, there was no such thing as, as mass incarceration. There was no such thing as, as mass shootings, things like that.22:30.43MeshachYeah.22:30.59Jonathan GuerreroSo in a cultural sense, if bad things happen, people equated that to, okay, well, what did you do to make your God angry?22:31.30MeshachYeah.22:41.34Jonathan GuerreroSo you better go appeal to your God, figure out what you did wrong and change your behavior and and and appease this God if you want your your crops to grow and or you want the rain to come or you want this curse lifted.22:56.00Meshachyeah22:58.59Jonathan GuerreroSo I think God was probably speaking in that time, and God meets us where we are, and this is where people were back then. But today it's different, and now we understand the curse as natural consequences, which God was trying to spare us from thousands of years ago.23:13.20MeshachYeah.23:16.92Jonathan Guerreroah And I look at things like the Evaldi shooting, that ha the mass shooting that happened in Texas at a school.23:22.94Meshachand Yeah.23:24.57Jonathan GuerreroWe know the deeper story that an absent father was behind the rage of this kid. And there were two daughters involved, not in the shooting, but there were two daughters in the same family who left and went to the Navy.23:43.57Jonathan GuerreroThey were interviewed and they were quoted as is admitting that the reason why they went to the Navy was because their father wasn't around.23:51.69MeshachMm-hmm.23:53.20Jonathan GuerreroSo it's it could yeah we could maybe conclude, maybe, um that if that father had been present in the life of that child, loved that child, nurtured that child, been both physically and emotionally present for that father, and had been a present, stable husband, we might have saved we might it might have prevented a mass shooting.24:20.60MeshachYeah, yeah.24:21.71Jonathan GuerreroAnd that to me is what I see as the curse. um So that's another sobering reminder of that. and And um it's just a different way to look at Malachi 4.6 and its relevance today.24:35.87MeshachYeah, for sure. For sure.24:40.12Jonathan Guerreroum How are identity and purpose connected with fatherhood?24:45.81MeshachUm, again, I think it goes back to number one, turning our hearts to God. So knowing our identity in Christ, right?24:57.37MeshachUm, I believe that when a father understands his identity in him, everything else kind of flows from that. Um, it's, it sort of gives him the, a father, sort of this grounding and, um,25:12.54Meshachsort of a clarity to help his children build their own sense of their identity and purpose. So another way to say that, I believe fatherhood ah will give us a sense of purpose because when when we think of purpose, it calls us to...25:29.85Meshachto live beyond ourselves, right? It brings us, so with fatherhood comes responsibility, ah protection, sacrifice, and leadership. So ah speaking in the purpose terms, I think naturally with fatherhood, with this responsibility comes responsibility.25:48.94Meshachcomes things like that. And so we're living not just for ourselves, but now we're we called to raise and nurture a child, to grow up in the stature, to know God, to love God, and and eventually to serve him.26:01.45Meshachum So one way I can say is before I became a dad, I did whatever I wanted. And even with my health, right? I ate however and whenever I pleased.26:15.19Meshachum Even in my early thirty s um I was this way. But after my father passed from COVID and knowing that he struggled with heart complications, I began to realize that if I want to be here and be around for for my boys, I got to take better care of myself.26:34.80MeshachSo in a sense, now my decision, like if i'm if I'm going to eat late or the things that I choose to eat, it doesn't just... involve me. Now I got to think more future terms. So, but and I thought about it myself. Okay.26:50.43MeshachHow long did it take me to sort of kind get my act together? i'm like, well, it took me quite a while in my late twenties, maybe thirties. Right. So I at least wanted to give my kids or I want to give my kids that time. My hope is that they'll, they'll figure it out a lot sooner than that.27:10.11MeshachBut I was given that time and God spoke to me in that year. So if I'm going to be around for that long, like 30 plus years, i I do need to start thinking health terms. And that's just one example of that, you know, not just living for for ourselves, but now we've got a greater sense of purpose for this responsibility.27:31.43Meshachum But yeah.27:35.51Jonathan GuerreroSo fatherhood fatherhood is so important to God. How do we make it important to our culture, both in and outside of Christian circles?27:46.41Meshachthat That's a great question. I think the best way that we can make it important into our culture, both in a ah Christian and and non-Christian context, is to model it, is to live it, right?28:00.91Meshachum We can preach all we want about the importance of fatherhood, but until people can actually see that, um then that's where the change will come.28:13.32MeshachAnd I thank God that there were... um there were good model father father figures around me when my first son was born. um There were also not so good father figures. So I sort of had to discern which route to go, like kind of the good things from examples that I was seeing.28:32.94MeshachSo now as a father, what that means of living it, modeling it, showing it is, Do we set healthy boundaries around our our family time that that way people can can know, oh, this is important to him.28:50.85MeshachThis is seen even in my ministry, right? um Sometimes we can get carried away with all the calls of ah ministry and and what that means, but I'm always conscious of like, where are my kids and my wife? And like, um do I have the time or can I be there for them?29:11.00MeshachAnother example is as leaders, we always want to um fill ourselves up if we're If we're sort of pouring ourselves out to those who we we lead or or we serve, we ah we always want those things that fill us up. And one thing for me is basketball.29:29.53MeshachSo basketball here and in in where i'm where I live, I can only get that on Wednesday mornings at 5 a.m. m That's the only sort of basketball runs we can do.29:42.47Meshachum But every once in a while, i I'll get a text from a friend saying, hey, just... random Sunday or Monday are you available for basketball? Now the old me would be like, oh yeah, just drop everything that I'm doing and go there because, and I can justify it by saying, well, this is what fills me up and I can't, um it's rare to get that. But I have family days established. i try to We try to do Sunday or Monday. It's pretty flexible.30:12.10MeshachAnd I just say, no, sorry, I can't. we um I got family. Our family has plans. Well, I'll meet that friend in a week or so.30:22.74MeshachAnd he'll say, oh, how did those plans turn out? Where did you guys end up going? And there wasn't any particular place we went. I said, no, I just protected that time and and and and space to be with my family, even if like no trip was planned or anything, even if it's just being at home with my kids.30:39.17MeshachAnd his reaction to that kind of opened his eyes to like, oh, wow. um Yeah. So just being a model for that, showing that this is important and I take it serious.30:53.64Jonathan GuerreroI can attest to that. to I can attest to that personally with you because ah you're a pastor. You're my pastor. um There has been several times when you have said no to things, even things that I've invited you to because you've said you've had to take care of your family.31:08.74MeshachYeah. Yeah.31:11.97Meshachyeah31:12.10Jonathan GuerreroAnd it's interesting because that's exactly what scripture says to do, to prioriti to prioritize your family first above any other ministry activities, anything else that you're doing.31:21.03Meshachyeah31:24.53Jonathan GuerreroAnd and that's exactly what you do. You model that for me, you model that for everybody else in our church. So um I think that's really, really awesome.31:35.86MeshachYeah. Amen. And you, um you know, you're talking about the ministry setting. I'm grateful that we have a community of people, a village,31:48.95Meshachthat are willing to step in and help. I remember one time you came in while I was my wife was preaching and and the roles were reversed. I had them in the sort of the nursery and and you came in and you asked for for help. And ah I really appreciated that. And I was thankful. But even in those settings, as long as I'm able to, you know, I definitely want to say, you know, I'll be here. There's going to be times where I'm like, thank you. Yes, please help. You know, I want to take you in.32:17.85Meshachum But I don't want to misuse that those opportunities and just kind of, you know, sort of pawn them off to someone else, um'm you know, as much as I can. But I'm really grateful we have a church that is very aware of of us and helpful in that sense, because we have so many that have been in that situation. So, yeah.32:41.18Jonathan GuerreroAs we close, what is your challenge to dads listening now?32:47.70MeshachI would say my challenge to fathers is to pray for your children. And more specifically, pray that they would grow to know God, to love God, and then eventually to serve God.33:05.71MeshachAnd part of that that comes naturally is for the wisdom, power, and strength for us to to be that model for them. But yeah, to pray over our kids, ah to know, to love, and to serve God.33:22.39Jonathan GuerreroPastor Faitete, it has been an honor to have you on the Fatherhood Challenge to share your experience, your wisdom with us, and so that we can all learn from you. Thank you for being on the Fatherhood Challenge.33:33.84MeshachYeah, thank you for having me. I really appreciate the opportunity. And, you know, God bless this ministry. I will continue to lift it in prayer. Thank you, Jonathan.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/thefatherhoodchallengepodcast/donations

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