In this first episode of season two, Scott and Jean talk to neuroscientist Stuart Firestein, about his counter-intuitive thinking on ignorance and failure as propelling forces in problem solving and innovation. Stuart is the Chair of Columbia University’s Department of Biological Sciences, and is  dedicated to promoting the accessibility of science to a public audience. Author of ‘Ignorance: How it Drives Science’, and ‘Failure: Why Science Is So Successful’ (Oxford University Press), both written to present the workings of science to a general audience, Stuart’s commitment to engaging the public in science can also be seen in his TED Talk entitled “The pursuit of ignorance”, which at the time of writing has garnered over 2.1 million views. Social:Instagram           @evolvingleaderLinkedIn             The Evolving Leader PodcastTwitter               @Evolving_LeaderSend a message to The Evolving Leader team After more than 5 years of hosting The Evolving Leader, Jean Gomes and Scott Allender are launching their new show The Mindset Economy in January 2026. The new show will explore how to live better, work smarter and be connected in a more uncertain world where machines can think. Available wherever you get your podcasts.

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