Talk given at Parklands (Manchester, UK) on 29th September 1985. 
Eugene responds to an audience member who states “Life is hard and ends in death.” 
‘Hard” = HRD =Hierarchical, Discriminative, Division. “The ‘universe is hard’ means that...there are differences of power and discriminative ability.” People are different in all manner of ways. They do not think, feel or will in the same way. “No two individuals are identical in any respect, that is the meaning of hard.” 

Everybody believes that death is certain, but what is it? It is the leaving of the life-principle which animates the physical body. He gives the example of a dying sparrow; the eye is bright and then suddenly “ceases to shine.” A moment before there was a consciousness looking out of the eye, and now it has gone, departed. That consciousness does not move to a different spatial location, so we cannot say where did it go?It has simply ‘detuned’ its “hierarchical, discriminative power”, it has stopped its focus on that body.
Instead of saying a person has died, we should say that they have withdrawn their interest from that body. 
(Note: The last 20 minutes of audio is not as clear, due to flaws in the original recording. It may be beneficial to listen to the podcast after downloading a transcript from www.eugene-halliday.net/download_transcripts)

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