Caitlin MacGregor is a gap closer, a game-changer, and a leader on a mission to revolutionize hiring. As the CEO of Plum, she’s tearing down outdated hiring practices and showing companies how to spot hidden talent using science, not guesswork. In this episode, Caitlin opens up about how she grinded herself into absolute burnout to turning into a leader who puts relationships first and drives results at the same time. She breaks down why resumes lie, how AI is shifting the hiring game, and what companies keep getting wrong about talent. If you’ve ever hired (or been hired), this one’s for you.Chapters:00:00:00 – A Gap Closer Steps Into the Spotlight00:01:27 – From Execution Machine to Relationship-First Leader00:02:35 – The Thing Caitlin Mastered at Home but Ignored at Work00:04:30 – The Wake-Up Call: “You Won’t Have a Marriage to Come Home To”00:09:21 – Rewiring Leadership: Breaking Free From the Old Model00:18:19 – Time Blindness and How It Nearly Derailed Everything00:22:38 – The Aha Moment That Sparked Plum00:26:37 – Making Elite Hiring Tools Accessible to All00:30:29 – A Free Tool That Reveals What You’re Actually Great At00:33:21 – Why Behavioral Skills, Not Experience, Predict Success00:41:10 – Parenting, Anime, and the Surprising Joy of Video Games00:43:51 – What Eternal Optimism Really Means From Someone Who’s Lived ItLinks and Resources:Caitlin on LinkedInPlumWE CharityGOQSoftwareThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Eternal Optimist? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on iTunes and leave us a review!

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