Today’s episode was recorded on January 16 th , 2023, on Martin LutherKing, Jr Day. It’s a powerful conversation I had with author and diversityand inclusion expert, Annemarie Shrouder.Here in the USA, we just held the inauguration for the incoming President,a convicted felon, and his sycophants who have crafted Project 2025, onJanuary 20 th , ironically falling on MLK, Jr Day.Since day One, DEI has been under attack.Federal agencies have begun removing resources from their webpagesfollowing 47’s executive order cracking down on diversity, equity andinclusion initiatives.Agencies also have been cancelling staff trainings and shuttering diversityoffices to comply with the order, who has called for all DEI staff to be put onpaid leave and eventually be laid off. Companies have begun to follow suit.It felt more important than ever to replay this extraordinary conversation,almost like an act of resistance.Annemarie, dubbed the DEI whisperer, and I talk about …Color blindness and the lengths we will go NOT to see differenceThe power of diversity and inclusion – “Inclusion leads to diversity, but diversity doesn’t always lead to inclusion”.How to create safe spaces and the dance of sharing who you are.The construct of race vs racism. And most importantly, we talk about her book.Being bi-racial – and not fitting in to either group.How writing poetry helped her to find her voiceWeaving poetry, personal stories for context, and DEI leadership teachings.Annemarie is the author of the bestselling book, Being Brown in a Blackand White World: Conversations for Leaders about Race, Racism andBelonging in which she expertly and courageously explores in all thestories she shares in her informative and powerful book, how can we movefrom the structures of Either/OR, choosing sides, staying polarized - to theinclusive mindset of BOTH/And, that embraces complexities found withineach of us and in our world at large?A Diversity & Inclusion expert with a Masters in Bias Awareness,Annemarie has spent more than 20 years in the field of Diversity andInclusion as a facilitator, consultant, and international speaker.Watch on YouTube: https://app.maximizeu.life/podcast/edgeofeverydayFind Annemarie:www.annemarieshrouder.comConnect with your host Sandra Bargman: Website YouTube Instagram LinkedIn

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