SHOW: 417DESCRIPTION: Brian talks with Ellen Korbes (@ellenkorbes, Developer Relations at @garden_io) about the emerging sets of tools and frameworks to make it easier for application developers to interact with Kubernetes. SHOW SPONSOR LINKS:PricingWire:  Monetization & Pricing Strategy for Software & Technology InnovatorsPricingWire - Pricing Metric Decision GuideDatadog Homepage - Modern Monitoring and AnalyticsTry Datadog yourself by starting a free, 14-day trial today. Listeners of this podcast will also receive a free Datadog T-shirt[FREE] Try an IT Pro ChallengeGet 20% off VelocityConf passes using discount code CLOUDCLOUD NEWS OF THE WEEK:Cloudflare - Workers Sites: Extending the Workers platform with Serverless building blocks WeWork pulls IPO, will restructure under new CEOsDocker, once worth over $1 billion, tells employees it's trying to raise cash amid 'significant challenges'SHOW INTERVIEW LINKS:Garden HomepageEllen’s HomepageThe State of Kubernetes Development ToolingSHOW NOTES:Topic 1 - Welcome to the show. Tell a little bit about your background, and some of the things that you do in your day-to-day of Developer Relations with Garden.Topic 2 - Kubernetes is a weird system because it involves containers and schedulers, neither of which developers really want to deal with. So why has Kubernetes become so popular, if it’s potentially not that friendly for developers?Topic 3 - There has been a lot of activity in open source communities to create ways to make it easier for developers to work with Kubernetes. Some of those have been “PaaS” offerings (s2i, buildpacks, etc.), and some have been new tooling (e.g. Helm, Draft, Skaffold, Forge, Telepresence, Garden, and Tilt). Can you tell us about some of the new tooling - how do they map to developer needs? Debugging - Squash, KubeFwd, Stern“Connect” - KubeFwd, Telepresence, KsyncDevelopment Orchestrators - Garden, Skaffold, TiltTopic 4 - In going through the different tools, what have you found are the ones that make the most immediate impact for developers? Topic 5  - As Kubernetes get more popular and widely used, do you think it’s important for developers to have to learn about Kubernetes? Or do you think that the external tooling will abstract it enough for them to be productive without that knowledge?FEEDBACK?Email: show at thecloudcast dot netTwitter: @thecloudcastnet and @ServerlessCast<

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