This episode is a conversation with Olli-Pekka Heinonen - currently the civil servant responsible for primary and secondary education in Finland - about his experience of applying complexity thinking in the Finnish government.Olli-Pekka Heinonen - Bio Olli-Pekka is the Director General of the National Agency for Education in Finland and is responsible for running primary and secondary education for the whole of Finland. He's been in public service for 30 years both as a senior politician and a civil servant. He's been the State Secretary in the Prime Minster's office and had a variety of cabinet roles. He's also been a TV director in the Finnish National Broadcasting company. Olli-Pekka is a complexity enthusiast, speaks regularly about organisational change and is involved in leadership coaching.

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