Immigration Detention Inc.: A Conversation with Nancy Hiemstra and Deirdre Conlon

04/09/2025 50 min
Immigration Detention Inc.: A Conversation with Nancy Hiemstra and Deirdre Conlon

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Podcast: The Border Chronicle (LS 28 · TOP 10% what is this?)Episode: Immigration Detention Inc.: A Conversation with Nancy Hiemstra and Deirdre ConlonPub date: 2025-08-28Get Podcast Transcript →powered by Listen411 - fast audio-to-text and summarizationThe authors break down the billions generated by private immigration detention companies. An industry, they show, that is based on a false narrative.Who profits from immigrant detention, and how is the money made? Geographers Nancy Hiemstra and Deirdre Conlon have investigated these questions for 10 years, producing one of the most thorough examinations of the industry. In today’s podcast, we discuss their findings in the new book Immigration Detention Inc: The Big Business of Locking Up Migrants.This book comes at a crucial time as the Trump administration attempts to carry out a mass deportation plan that will be financed by an estimated $45 billion budget, via the One Big Beautiful Bill Act.We discuss all of this: the billions made not only by major prison companies like Geo Group and CoreCivic but also by subcontracted services such as food, medical care, and commissary. The authors highlight that substandard food and health services are part of the business model. We discuss the financial dependencies that local governments have developed through their revenue-sharing agreements with ICE. Additionally, we examine the rapid growth of the detention industry—from 7,000 people in the early 1990s to 60,000 today—and how this growth has accelerated in the last eight months under Trump.Finally, the authors suggest solutions. “Chip away that detention is effective or necessary … this is really a false narrative,” Hiemstra says, and “peel away what makes detention profitable, and peel away the ability to make money off it.”Hiemstra is also the author of Detain and Deport: The Chaotic U.S. Enforcement Regime. Conlon and Hiemstra also coedited the book Intimate Economies of Immigration Detention.The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Melissa del Bosque and Todd Miller, which is the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Listen Notes, Inc.