This week we speak to Max Ferguson who started Lumin in 2010 to address a growing need for a robust, cloud-based way to edit and share portable document format files, better known as PDFs. 15 years on and Lumin has over 100 million users worldwide and is successfully rolling out more document collaboration products and features, managing to find success with the often-tricky freemium model. Plus, what's the latest on Deepseek, and the unpacking the NZ government's plans for using generative AI. Reading listSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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