In this episode, Jen Psaki talks with her former boss Rahm Emanuel about what he thinks Democrats need to do to win again.  He offers his trademark candor on where Democrats slipped up in 2024, but also talks about what the future can look like.  He stresses the value of who the messengers are, the damage of litmus tests to winning and the importance of running someone in every single race from school boards to Congress. Want to listen to this show without ads? Sign up for MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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