In this episode of the Bhagavata Podcast, Bhrigupada Dasa (Dr. Mans Broo) welcomes Sundar Gopal Das to explore Canto 1, Chapter 13: Dhritarashtra Quits Home. The conversation traces Vidura’s return from pilgrimage, his tough love that awakens Dhritarashtra to seek his ultimate good, and the secret night departure to the forest with Gandhari. Narada arrives with forward-looking counsel, asking Yudhishthira not to interfere and foretelling Dhritarashtra’s yogic end in five days. Along the way, the dialogue reflects on mortality, forgiveness, grief, and how the Bhagavata’s layered storytelling (stories within stories) keeps past, present, and future in view.Themes include the discipline of speech (truthful, kind, beneficial), the danger of power without conscience, saints as living tirthas, and viraha, the ache of separation that runs through Canto One. Sanjaya’s devotion, Yudhishthira’s nonresentment, and Bhima’s sharp edge offer contrasting models of response. The episode also pauses on time and urgency: why insight often ripens only when the horizon comes into view.Chapters00:05 Invocation and welcome01:08 Guest intro and why this chapter matters02:42 Summary: Vidura returns, tough love, and the night departure04:43 Why the Bhagavata jumps in time05:49 Story within a story: emboxment explained07:51 Vidura as a manifestation of Yama09:31 Narada’s teaching on the world’s harsh cycles12:01 Sanjaya’s grief and loyalty13:56 Power, reckoning, and the Gita backdrop16:22 A caution when you are strong19:40 Saints make places holy: the tirtha verse22:10 Tough love in practice: Vidura to Dhritarashtra29:11 Krishna’s wake-up call to Arjuna as a parallel37:25 Why Dhritarashtra finally changes40:29 Time, turning 50, and urgency43:00 Krishna as time and the limits of control46:14 Hidden news and compassionate silence48:36 Yudhishthira’s nonresentment (Ajatashatru)52:31 Bhima’s contrast55:13 Letting go: a simple practice from everyday life59:20 Narada’s guidance to Yudhishthira64:25 What becomes of Sanjaya66:41 ClosingSend us a text

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