What do leaders keep getting wrong about hiring? Matt Alder, Rhona, and Jocelyn break it down — and explore what’s working, what’s not, and what’s changing fast. Warden AI co-founder Jeffrey Pole joins to talk about building tech that doesn’t just hire faster but hires fairer — from real-time bias audits to launching public trust reports. He shares how startup grit, regulatory momentum, and emotional readiness all shaped his path from Onfido to founding Warden AI.







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